O'Reilly Takes on 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist!
BILL O'REILLY, HOST: "Impact" segment tonight. As we told you last night, University of Wisconsin instructor Kevin Barrett has called President Bush a murderer, saying he orchestrated 9/11 without providing a shred of evidence to that charge. Despite that defamation, Barrett teaching a course on Islam this semester at the University of Wisconsin. The only sanction against him is an order to stop making public statements.
Joining us now from Madison is James Fetzer, a recently retired professor from the University of Minnesota-Duluth, who supports Barrett.
You know, I'm getting a little tired of Barrett and Ward Churchill and other college professors who hate their country and who bring this hatred onto a campus full of impressionable students. Am I wrong to be offended and angry about that, sir?
JIM FETZER, BELIEVES BUSH ORCHESTRATED 9/11: Well, you are wrong, Bill, because you haven't studied the case. We've created an organization consisting of experts and scholars, pilots, aeronautical engineers, mechanical engineers, structural engineers, physicists. We've been examining what the government's been telling us. And, frankly, Bill, it's a fantasy.
None of the major claims made by the government can be sustained. We've been looking at this from every point of view. The government has a story it wants to sell us? We're not buying it.
O'REILLY: OK, you don't have to buy anything. You're American. You want to be a nut? You can be a nut. And you are a nut, because in order for any conspiracy of this magnitude to take place, thousands of Americans would have to buy into it, would have to know about it, and would have to keep their mouth shut about it. That's never going to happen. You're like the guys who think that the space aliens kidnapped Elvis or something like that; that's where you are, in my opinion.
So your opinion is that Bush murdered everybody on 9/11 to seize control and make him the dictator of America, or whatever the crazy thing is. And my opinion is, you're nuts.
We're both entitled to our opinion, OK? You're entitled, and I'm entitled. And we'll let the folks decide.
Hold it. Hold it. But now you have a guy, Barrett, who's in a classroom — and we had the students on last night. And, believe me, the students don't know very much. And here's Barrett, and here's Ward Churchill, and they're bringing their crazy theories in, explaining this, that and the other thing, and whatever conclusions you guys have reached. And the students are there absorbing this.
And I'm saying this is grossly irresponsible because it's based on nothing. If you had the evidence, sir, you would be on the front page of The New York Times in a heartbeat. There's nothing that the hate-Bush media would like more than to get a hold of anything you have. And you don't have anything.
You can't get in the San Francisco Chronicle or the National Enquirer or anywhere, because you don't have anything other than a harebrained theory. And you know it.
FETZER: We have hundreds of studies. We have documents. We have records. We have photographs.
O'REILLY: Well, why can't you get on the front page of The New York Times?
FETZER: Anyone, Bill, who has even looked at the collapse of Building Seven understands it came down by controlled demolition. It wasn't hit by any planes, not jet fuel fire.
O'REILLY: I had guys in here who say you're full of you-know-what. Why can't you get this on the front page of the Boston Globe or the Atlanta Journal Constitution or the Minneapolis Star Tribune, papers that despise the Bush administration? Why can't you get it on the front page of those papers?
FETZER: The press and the media are too much dominated by the federal government and federal regulations, Bill. You know that.
O'REILLY: Oh, sure. The New York Times is dominated and afraid of the federal government, when every single day they rip Bush's throat out. Come on. That doesn't make sense.
FETZER: In 1977, Carl Bernstein published an article in Rolling Stone in which he explained that he'd been told by officials at the CIA that their greatest success have been with CBS, with Time-Life, and with The New York Times, Bill. The situation today is much worse. Anyone who wants to know the truth should go ST911.org, our Web site,Scholars for 9/11 Truth. And they'll find it in spades, Bill. I recommend you go there.
O'REILLY: I hope they go to your dopey Web site, and I hope they read your stuff. So I just want to — this is how crazy you guys are. And you guys are really — number one, you hate your country. And, number two, you're a loon.
Here's your scenario: The Bush administration are murderers. The president is a murder, OK? He killed 3,000 Americans because he wanted to increase his power and suspend all civil liberties. And in order to do that, he co-opted a whole bunch of intelligent people and military people. They all got in a little conspiracy that killed 3,000 Americans, and the press is covering it up because they're afraid of the federal government.
Come on. I mean, why don't you just say that you have a Martian living in your bedroom, sir? Why don't you just say that and parade a puppet out or something?
FETZER: Bill, we found the government account is provably false on every major respect.
FETZER: You appear to be among those who can't handle the truth, Bill.
O'REILLY: No, I know I can't handle it.
FETZER: You've got to look at our findings. We've conducted objective scientific study.
O'REILLY: Send me your best shot.
FETZER: We have no funding. We have no money. We're doing this because we believe in our country. And as a former Marine Corps officer, Bill, I resent your implication. We're interested in the truth and not being deceived.
O'REILLY: You hate your country...
FETZER: If you buy everything the American government — we are truth-seekers.
O'REILLY: You hate your country. You're accusing a man of murder, the president of the United States, of murder without any evidence. If you had the evidence, somebody somewhere would take the evidence. Why don't you bring the evidence over to France? Why don't you give it to the French media or the Canadian media or the CBC or BBC? Are they controlled by the American federal government? Are they afraid? Why don't you take it there, see what they'll do with it, huh?
FETZER: Bill, you're obviously not going to give me a chance to talk about any of these things, so...
O'REILLY: No, I'm not, because you're a nut.
FETZER: Go to our Web site, ST911.org.
O'REILLY: All right, we heard your Web site. Fine.
FETZER: If you want the truth, Scholars for 9/11 truth.
O'REILLY: You can't get any legitimate news organization in the world to put your stuff anywhere because it's all bogus. And I don't care whether you're a Marine officer. You're disgracing the Marine Corps by what you're doing. You hate your country; you accuse a man of being a murderer, President Bush.
And, you know, if I were Bush, I'd take a look at you, Professor. I'd definitely take a look at you, just like Sami al-Arian. I'd put the FBI on you, and nutty Barrett, and find out what the hell you guys are up to, bottom line. Thanks for being here.
FETZER: We care enough about our fellow citizens...
O'REILLY: Yeah, I know you care.
FETZER: ... who died, Bill O'Reilly, to find out why they died and how they died, which is more than the government has done.
O'REILLY: You have disgraced those people by accusing the president of being a murderer.
FETZER: Scholars for 9/11...
O'REILLY: There's plenty more ahead as the "Factor" moves along this evening.