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Well Dobman...I have always enjoyed your antics.. and have had many a chuckle over things you have said..laughing is one of my greatest joys and in my opinion one of our greatest gifts,one that is greatly over looked.

Which I also feel is being robbed from us right now, in many situations..

I am looking forward to this as a learning experience and hope to gain much knowledge.

But right at this moment my time is rather stretched thin... My husband has taken a spill on his Harley.. and has been in hospital almost three weeks now, which is why my posting here is down to a minimum.. but soon my husband will be home.. for the next six months to a year. Today I go in an take another turn at putting on his back brace.. This is a man who has not taken a day off in months and loves his work. We have a small trucking company and so now my daughter is taking over and I am showing her the ropes while trying to get this place ready for him. As I am also sole care for my Mom who is going through the last few stages of Alzheimers  so you can see that I am really busy. Thank heavens I stopped most of that foolish Christmas stuff...

One thing I do think about and am able to see this as a blessing is that Bruce has not smoked in almost three weeks so it is my hope that he is finished with that. I have worried so much over
his smoking as his brother had lung cancer last year and is still recovering. So I am thinking that is the silver cloud..

But I shall be back to work on this.. as I feel it will be a great enjoyment to me.. and I shall need that in the near future.

And I may be back sooner than you think... thanks for the warning and the challenge.. it will keep me on my toes.

HI Dob man.... I did get some smiles from your post and have to say I am very glad no one can tell you what to do.. or what to think. I also have never fit into any mold that others would have liked to place me in... and being female that was just so not working for anyone ...especially my Dad. He was old fashioned and had a very clear image of who I should become and how I should become that young lady. But life did not work the way others thought it should, nor the way I thought it should.

Time now is getting a little freer as Bruce is now getting around a little better... but being a man who never takes a break he is finding this whole sitting thing not to his liking.. and pushing himself.
Still not smoking.. no need for that switch.

Dob I can honestly say I have never once on any of these boards lied, and I have said some pretty strange things. I have walked alone my whole life until I was born again and then I needed no one else. I was not like you in that I did not want to do it on my own. I desperately wanted help, I was undereducated, and very afraid. I even chose to marry a man who looked like he could give the devil a run for his money..( he lost that battle very badly) that was right back after I was possessed when I was around 21, amazing how two or three minutes in ones life can color everything else ... I was dumped into understanding that there were demons in a way in which there was no turning away from, and where do you run to, how can you hide from the person you are...

I am telling you this because it is from here that I am looking at the bible.. not from the person possessed but from the person that learned lifes lessons not found in a book. Oh I went to church as a child, I quoted scripture from the front of the church, and I read my bible... and from there I hated God. He was the murderer of little children, stoning young women, murdering men. Drowning his own creation because they were not as he would wish them. Today I admire his restraint...

I am not sure when my battle began, maybe with my Mother trying to drown me, it has to make me wonder how a child can end up in an orphanage three times before the age of three. What could a child that young do ? This was the beginning... and it just never stopped until I cried out to my Father to save me. I do not think there was anyone more surprised than me that there is a God. Even though I preached against him, used the bible as a weapon to shake the faith of those poor brain addled folks who worshipped that evil God in the bible, I ended up crying out to him. And he heard me and saved me in that moment.

I will not tell you all the things that made me cry out to my Father, I will just say that satan showed me things no human should have to see, I was places where no one should ever be and I was hated. I was hated as a child and I was hated as a women. I learned that turning to man was a huge waste of time for even strong men became weak when faced with satans powers. And it is best not to be in the persence of strong men when they are doing satans bidding. As my ex husband said when I said to him that I thought he would protect me from the evils of this world, He said but who did you think would protect you from me... we are friends now he and I , but a thousand miles seperate us, and he is still not well. He often tells me of asking God..Why Me.. and God answered him saying Why Not...

I can not explain my life, things that happened 30 years ago I am just beginning to understand now. I would not change one day of it to stand where I am standing now. And I know I do not love my own children as much as my Father loves me because I could never allow my children to suffer such a life as I have had... to learn in such an ugly way. And yet I have not one regret now, and know that no one owes my Father the debt I owe. Many do not understand why I am the person I have become, but they do not understand where I have come from. Even my own family has no idea of my past, they do not read these pages as it would cause them pain to know some of the things I have been though. They only know me as being born again.. the smiling face, the joyful life, not the nightmare that came before it. I will not weigh them down with baggage they do not need, my Father does not want that. I did show them the way... and they know I am a follower of Jesus. They know I love him more than my own life. I taught them to love and respect other people and that giving is better than getting.

When my Father told me that I could return to church and my bible after 20 years... yes my Father took both away from me when I was born again. I had used my bible as a weapon and even when I was born again I ran back to look to see it with new eyes... but the same words were still there.. and my heart broke. My Father made it clear I was to be seperate and alone and so that is how I spent the next twenty years. No church, no bible. But I learned many things just the same... Then when my bible was returned to me I still did not understand that it was the word of God. But as time went on and I had questions he took me to the bible and things I thought I knew I really did not know. The same day my Father told me to return to church he also told me to fast, actually he told me to fast and return to church...so I did, but my lack of knowledge did not allow me to do any other fast than the 40 days Jesus did.. as I did not know of any other fasting and I had never heard of fasting in church... and in truth still have not. My Father made a point of letting me know that church was for me, a gift that would not be forever but only for a while and I have left now... just as my Father said I would, I miss the music. The churches are preaching false doctrine... twisting the word of God.. and denying the truth of Jesus. I will not stand with them.
I can not stand with them, but I do love them.

Our debate on the Garden of Eden I think will be great... but you must remember I have little formal education and I am only ten years into reading the bible.. I tried others but I always returned to KJV... not sure why just found the others to be...errr..not for me. Now here is the thing..I am returning to the garden of Eden... in a physical sense.. I am doing the things my Father spoke of in paradise.. eating every herb baring seed... thats me, I eat food that my Father did not give those in his Paradise.. Some think I am a vegan because of love of my Fathers creations.. which is true but it did not start that way.. my Father started me on that road, and I have just continued walking it.. it has been a painful and ugly journey. Sometimes the truth is almost enough to break my heart, and where Jesus would be saddened, I am angry.. Jesus by nature was kind and compassionate to even the worst of men, but I am not. I love children and animals but have little respect for man... or woman for that matter. I love them, and I know God places them above the animals but folks should remember that four animals stand before the throne of God.. many forget this little tidbit.. or they want to forget it... guessed they missed that part about the animals in paradise in the beginning, and the lion laying down with the lamb in the paradise to come.

I wish there was someway in which I could make others understand the danger they are in, but it is not my place to do so or my Father would have made it possible. Another strange thing that come out of my husbands accident is that my time spent with the JWs is over, as much as I was enjoying that time I have not seen them in over two months now and I am pretty sure my Father wants no more of that for me.

Dob..one thing I have learned is that if my Father has said it, then it is true, no matter if it is not understood by me .. so the Garden of Eden is the same thing.. Tell me do you think time stood still in the Garden of Eden, what need would there be for time, the passing of night and day could have happened, and life could have gone on but did time? I ask this because of the paradise thing, could paradise have a need for time, and if time passed and folks got older would it then still be paradise? Adam and Eve did not have children, no need. But when that changed was there then a need for time. We should understand that first... If Adam and Eve were immortal what would be the need for time. And if time did not pass in the Garden did it pass in the outer world.. I know my Father made the light and the darkness but was it needed only to space time? Or did it only have to do with the changing of the seasons and for the tides of the oceans.. If time stands still at the speed of light then we know time is relative to motion and also to the amount of gravity exerted one. So time is very important in this whole Garden thing... did time begin when Adam and Eve got the boot? Was the gravity different before that time ... there were swords to keep Adam from returning to the garden so it was possible to find the garden, so the Garden was a place here on earth but God could just have withered the trees and left it desolate for Man but he did not..why.. but when did time begin outside the garden?As we know the garden was not made for man or it would have been destroyed when man got the book... but not only was it not destroyed it was now guarded against man.. hmmmm. Time to Immortals is not the same as time for us, we are ageing and dying.. but those in the garden were not... big difference... what would that difference cause?

I have seen some of the tricks of time.. they have fooled mankind into thinking things are one way when they are another..but that is a whole new set of questions..

So other than the need for sleep in the garden, and that maybe only for the animals..did time exist? I say NO.. no need. Man needed to till the soil, so there was a need for things that man could do, but was there a need for time. If I had a garden standing in time, and needed a care taker would I make one who faced the ravages of time..and have to keep replacing him? Or would I make one who lasted forever... no need to replace him and no need for time..

The Garden.... what a strange place... and what do we make of the ages folks lived after leaving the garden... again it is a time thing.. 800 years is a long time for a man to live and yet we know that day and night were the same?

Any way Dob, this house is waking up and so my day begins... I am blessed to be able to raise with the sun.. you see even I am effected by night and day.. as the dark comes earlier now I go to be earlier.. and so I rise with the sun.. Not the garden of Eden I can assure you... snow and rain aplenty... Bet it was comfy and warm in the garden... no snow.. no air conditioners needed.

Thanks for the smiles your messages always give me... and your honesty.

And sorry for the time it took to get back to you...not so much as looking after folks as looking after the business.... much more work than I had thought...and it has to be done..but piece by piece my daughter is taking over most of my husbands work,  I have so little time my emails are piling up and I do not think I can ever catch up....

Want you to know I do not concider this work, this to me is pleasure,  which is why it comes after work...  learning is one of my greatest joys, and my greatest sorrows but never want to stop moving in that direction,   and I am sure you have learned much you can teach me, and am hoping I can pay you back the same way..