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Hi Dob…

1 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Its like those who die in the Lord Jesus Christ.. Do you think that Jesus is filled with dead folks or that this is just a way of saying a thing.. I am blessed in Christ today… and he his in a heavenly place today..I am still blessed in him..

Remember when I said we were all in the garden… and so we all must have been in Eden.. Well you now tell me you believe that also. This is how the prince was in Eden… and the garden.. Just as we all were. But not in the manner that you think. My Father knew I would be born in the exact minute I was born.. He knew that from the beginning.. And he knew I would fall on my knees at some point.. And He knew I would love Jesus. He knew my name.. and he knows the exact numbers of hairs on my head.. And on which day I shall die.. And on which day my Great grand daughter will be born and on which day she shall die.. This does not make a new age..or a different world.. You can not have an all knowing , all seeing God who does not know on which day I shall be born from the beginning.

I think the big thing here is that Paul is speaking to only Christians.. So it is assumed they were chosen by God.. As they were.. And they are blessed in Christ.. Who is in a heavenly place.. It is Paul telling the followers of the Lord Jesus that God knew them from the beginning.. And Jesus chose them… well of course he did, he knows what the Father knows… and so he also knew I would fall upon my knees someday.. And so he waited for me… just as he waited for Paul.. And you.



4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Again you must remember this message is being preached to Christians who at the time risked death if they are discovered worshipping the Lord Jesus.. Paul is telling them that they should walk a holy path in love.. That God has loved them from the beginning.. Before the garden.. Before the flood.. They have been loved.

This is pretty clear.. It is just as I have said.. We were there in the garden… we were our Fathers children before birth.. It would be very disappointing if I was some fluke and all that I have been though was not my Fathers will but chance or luck.. No it was my Fathers will from the beginning.. And will be until the end. I would have it no other way.



5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Again remember Paul is talking to those who are already born again.. So they already know that they have been chosen by the Lord. But they can still fall..
Yes Jesus even says this…You are either for me or against me.. And he makes that clear .. He can spit you out of his mouth or place you in the palm of his hand.. Its your choice..


19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
See Paul is talking about believers.. Because he is talking to folks who are risking their lives to follow Jesus.. So he is telling them God already knew they were the ones who would love Jesus and follow him.. And Of course God did.. Just as he knew I would one day cry out to him… .

I am not sure why you want there to have been a world before this one..or an age before it, but God is very clear in his message.. He creates a world and puts us in it..no mention of this being a copy of his last creations..

Well that is my answer ...

You see Dob when God shows me the answer to my questions.. when he uses the bible he shows me a verse... there is nothing hidden, no having to go to other verses.. it is plain, clear and simple.. My Father often used the OT to show me my way.. It is not that I do not believe in the OT... or that it is not the inspired word of God ..for good or evil..but I am a follower of Jesus.. so I do not follow Levi.. or Saul.. I follow Jesus so I will not fall into any pitfalls.. or stumble on those rocks satan has strewn along the way.

You will notice that it ends with this…Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

This mentions heavenly places.. Principalities.. Dominion.. And this world.. And the world to come.. No mention of a previous world.. Or another age of man.. This world and the world to come..

Dear Dob... laughed out loud when you said I guess I thought I reached perfection.. but then to be fair you really do not know me at all, so it must be hard for you to judge me..

Seeing I have already written in my messages that I our Father knew us from the beginning as he is all knowing.. there is no need to try and get me to believe what I already believe.

It is the other earth that I deny... the other destruction. I do not believe that because it is not written of when God speaks of making the world and then man...

Not sure where you are going with Job... yes he has an arm...but not the arm of God.. and a voice but not the voice of thunder from the clouds..

I could say to the octopus ..does thou have an arm like me... to the sparrow ..do you have a voice like me that can scream above the wind?

But even if I say this.. what does it prove..it would not prove another age..or that the sparrow is anything like me... except that we were both made by God in the beginning.

And yes all the animals were made with us... in fact everything was made in 6 days.....  even the oceans... so yes animals were made with us.. Loved the part about the ox having a tail like a cedar.. which does not mean satan is the cows tail....

I must ask what is the importance of there being another earth destroyed? And if it is so important why must we look to Job to find it when we are told exactly how all things were made in the beginning. If God chose to hide another world from us, then it would be hidden and no amount of searching scripture would find it... and if he wanted to say that he had already destroyed this world once and all of creation with it he would say it clearly so there was no mistake .

Dob you said...Sharon can I asume that before to much longer you won't even have to bother with looking at any more verses either...
I can just see it now,,, Gods going to tell you all the answers before you even have the need to ask a single questions....

Well Dob... such foolish statements make me wonder at your understanding of what is written... maybe it is God shows me this so I do not take too serious the things you assume to know.. and not to worry I do not. You wasted to much of your message trying to belittle me for me to believe this is not personal to you.. and it should not be. I did not write the bible, I only read the verses as they were written.. you want me to think things I can not think, to see things in a way I do not see them.. and you get huffy when I do not.

I am not angered at you because you do not believe as I do... why should I be? You want to believe that God destroyed another human population besides the flood.. and I do not. Yes I believe in the war in heaven... and the destruction of this earth during the flood... and I do believe in satan in the garden tricking Eve into eating that fruit.. and I believe those things because it says them in the OT... I believe Daniel fasted and David cheated because it says so in the OT.. I follow the ten commandments because they are the laws my Father gave me ...in the OT. I believe that once we all spoke the same language and God confused our language so we would disperse over the face of the earth..because it says so in the OT. ( and now by the science of language).

Waste no more time trying to convince me of the truth of the OT... as I have already told you that my Father has used the OT to show me things I have asked of... and you mocked that I said he only needs one verse to show me what I need to know... why would God need more than that.. mostly it is but a line he shows me..one line... it is not the line but the understanding of that line that is important..

If for example I was to take the line And the LORD God commanded the man, saying: 'Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.'

Now I may read that as it is written.. and it will make perfect sense... and it is clear what God is saying..

But what if I twist it to mean that the tree is a serpent? And the fruit is sex? Then I must change all the trees to be demons and all their fruit to be sex. And when I have done that then I must put these words in the mouth of God Almighty... Of every demon in the garden you may freely have sex with, but of the demon in the middle of the garden you must not have sex with for when you do you will surely die.

I will not put those words in the mouth of my Creator... it is wicked to do so. And yet some do... I know why they do but that is even uglier than the false doctrine... and they are the real children of satan for like Eve they have fallen for his lies..and yet one has to wonder how?? I will tell you how..twisting doctrine to fit into their own beliefs.

You see the fruit trees are mentioned more than once..


And God said: 'Let the earth put forth grass, herb yielding seed, and fruit-tree bearing fruit after its kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth.' And it was so.

And God said: 'Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed--to you it shall be for food;

See … here it is..the fruit trees in Eden were for food God said.. And so how did anyone manage to change them into sex with a demon.. You have to change the word of God to do so…

So that is how easy it is for some to add things to the Word of God… so we must be very careful not to do so..

Yes Dob I believe you know some things that are true in the bible, if I did not I would not waste one minute on this.. But I do not believe in some of the things you do.. But it does not mean that I will not change a thing I believe when I see proof of its falsehood. Hope you can do the same.

Thought I would take us into the garden for a minute.. As that is where we are speaking of…

For it is written…yes it is WRITTEN… all of the bible is WRITTEN.. But if you follow your own beliefs then I am guessing that your hair and beard have not been cut in decades, you wear only 100% cotton and you have only tomatoes in your back yard and did not foolishly plant beans or carrots also, for as you know God only allows one crop per field. I am also guessing that all your children are perfect and blameless or you would have stoned any child who was not well behaved. My son gave me lip once but I grounded him, killing him seemed rather like evil.. And was against the laws of my Father.

I am also guessing that you are not on line today for as you know those who follow the laws of Levi do not even light their fires today.. For even gathering sticks for a fire is cause for death.. You must find it hard to live such a restrictive life.. But here are the things that really scare me, its not all the dead bodies of those who committed adultery, for with 50 % of Americans doing so I am guessing the streets would be running with blood if those laws were actually followed.. No it is that I am asked to destroy everyone in a city even the animals if they do not follow the same religion as I do? That seems rather harsh! Really I must kill even the animals? Must I really kill my own children if they suggest another God? Must I really Go and kill all the pagans? All of them? The fruits of these laws would have the streets running with blood..

Well Dob I will leave all this killing to you… you follow these laws if you wish but me… I am a follower of Jesus and I follow the Laws my Father gave me.. The ten Commandments.. Jesus tells me this.. He makes no mention of the laws of clothes, of planting gardens, of killing children of other cities who do not believe as I do.. No but of the Ten commandments he is clear.. do you know Gods laws when you hear them, is like his children who know his voice when they hear it? Does God really say to kill even the children and animals. Whole cities of them? Are you sure this is Gods law? Must I stone homosexual children?

Funny they claim you need to be killed for not following the Sabbath laws.. But Jesus says we are not made for the Sabbath but the Sabbath is made for us.. But if you see someone and they are picking up sticks you can follow your laws and kill them but I am not sure killing a man on the Sabbath is keeping that day Holy! What if I have to kill many people, does that make the day more Holy or less Holy?

Dob…I am beginning to understand you much better now…I see how it works. You write that God is whispering to me.. You claim I have said such a thing.. But if you go back and look you will no where ever find that I say God whispers to me. Your insinuating that it’s the devil so you have changed my words into God whispering to me so it will fit that idea that you have. But I never once said such a thing.. I wonder how many times you have done this in your study of the Word.

Dob there is NO mystery about us being there at the Foundations of the world.. We are already told we are there, so it is no surprise that Job was there.. What has that to do with anything..not sure where you are going with that.. I have said this twice before.

Dob you would be hard pressed to find anyone who loves God more than I do, I was given a new life, a second chance. I was saved by Love.. So it is hard for me to imagine killing a whole city, even the animals when my mercy will not allow me to kill a mouse.. So I ask you this..am I more merciful than Jesus ? Do you think Jesus could kill all the children in a city? Kill all the sheep and dogs? Could Jesus bloody his hands in this way..if the answer is no then you had best look for another answer for your OT.. Because I will tell you I am not more merciful than Jesus.. Did you not hear his laws… Love God, Love one another.. The words on which hang ALL the LAWS and ALL the Prophets… do you get that now? But if the answer is Yes you think Jesus could kill lots and lots of little children then you should follow your laws and kill everyone who does not believe in your God. That is what your laws say you must do!

I find this very funny…
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed. Do you not get that God is saying right there for all to see that the woman’s seed and the serpents seeds are two separate seeds.. And really… who loves snakes.. Or serpents? How anyone can get that satan has children with Eve is just plain adding things that are not there. God makes it very clear there are not only two separate seeds but that there is always going to be conflict between the two..

You must tell me how you get that after God says, Ye shall not eat of it…Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it.. COMMANDED .. Does God make commands that Adam would not understand? Thou Shalt NOT eat of it.. Pretty clear..


And I have to ask… for those who think that God is talking about sex then why does he say this?lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.. Does one have sex by putting forth his hand to take from a tree and eat.. Or is God really really confused?

Dob I am not trying to be hard to get along with…just works out that way sometimes, but you have to remember that I have been born again for over 30 years and I have seen many of satans tricks. This one where he tries to convince folks he has actual children here is a really good one..not one of his best because its really hard for him to get folks to believe that one …. To much talk of trees and fruit to get many to change that into a penis and sex.. But those who want to believe will… but I tell you it’s a trick. If you do not believe me look at the fruits of this idea.. If you follow this idea to its fruitation you will find dead children at the end of this rotten fruit. Always has been, always will be. Nothing new under the sun…

You will not find me ever pointing at anyone and saying they are the children of satan.. But others will, have in the past and will in the future. But its all a trick. A nasty evil trick. Jesus tells us who the children of satan are..those who know the truth but do as they wish..those who do not know the truth are not sinning. Those are the children of satan..at least that is what Jesus says and I believe him..

Dob I believe that you love God and his Word.. I have no doubt of this..but where you got such ideas from I do not know..but think.. Puts forth his hand.. And takes the fruit and eats it.. What is clearer than that? That is what is WRITTEN..You must change this to make it something that is not said…and I am not sure why you see it in another way.. Or how.

Dob if you get children to read what is written and ask what it means to them.. You will find they do not see satan as having sex with Eve, you will find God , a garden, a snake, a fruit and trees.. No sex, no satanic children..

Try that, check and see if what I say is true.. Would you trust that a child could read the truth? Then you will see that you must add things that are not there, change things that are there to make them into things one can not see when reading what is WRITTEN..

Hi Dob….

You Say…Sharon these two verses show that Noah had gotten himself drunker than a skunk,
You might also want to concider that Noahs wife, sons, and daughter in-laws were also drinking,
and that should be concidered as so when the next verses unfold. And thats because of the part in
verse 21 that says Noah was uncovered with in his tent !!!

Dob I guess you should be afraid to fear that I might then get the impression that your trying to change around the words of the Bible.  You just did so here.. You claim that his family was drinking with him, but that is not what is Written nor are their actions showing drunkenness. You even Added the daughter in laws were drinking when wives and daughter in laws are not even mentioned.. In the bible.. Yes in the Book of Division (Jubilees) it is mentioned but that is not in the bible. ….maybe its because we live in such an age we no longer think that seeing ones Father naked is not enough to cause for shame… we must add incest to it to make it more shameful…but there was a time when seeing ones Father drunk and naked was shameful… but today  I guess we need more than that to shame us..

Maybe that is part of what is happening to you in that you are now adding to the things you are saying because you can not separate between other books and the bible. You are reading other folks myths and legends and taking them as true rather than believing what is actually written. Get a child to read it for you and see if they think that Ham had sex with his Mom instead of what it actually says.. I think you will find that even a child knows what is said in that scripture and will not add to it.. Nor take away from what is said…

W hy would Noah curse his grandson who never saw him naked and not his son who did not see him at all… lets face it his name is Canaan means.. depressed one..lowly one.. So it was set into motion before his birth.. Which is why only this grandson was cursed.. The clue was given in his name… before the drunken incident … no need to add such evil as incest … or shame where there is none needed.

Now it is not like God could not put incest or sex in his bible if he wished, and he did in the case of Lot.. Spoke of it quite freely…did not hide it for fear of offending us who are reading the bible or trying to hide the truth so we must change or add to what is written to find the truth. I believe this happened with Lot just as it say for it is Written in the bible. In the case of Noah it is not written… in the case of Eve it is not written….

Yup God has no trouble writing about Lots incest so why would anyone think that if God says nakedness what he really means is incest?? Or if God says eat he really means sex..

Dob you NEVER showed me verses where it was written because it was not written.... In fact it does not even mention the females… so how can it be written that Ham had sex with his Mom when neither neither sex nor his Mom are even mentioned at all? You added those things.

Show me where it says that Noah’s wife had sex with her son.. what exact verse is that?

Not where you think it is saying that but where it actually says that.....

THY FATHER NAKEDNESS...you want me to turn nakedness into sex with ones Mother??

It is not my unwillingness, it is that you are asking me to believe something that is not written ...and sorry I can not do so..I can not change the word eat into sex, the word nakedness into sex, fruit into sex, I can not change men into satan, a trees into satan....... sorry... but what is written is what is written.. no need to change words.

If you have any verses that do say Noah’s wife was drunk and having sex with her son please write them down... but please make sure that it says that ...not that her husband was drunk and naked... You may have forgotten that in those days being naked was seen as evil ...nakedness was not as it is today.. folks were at that time ashamed of being naked.. remember Adam and his fig leaves.. You need not add to the verse by making it something that would shock us today.. for you said it yourself.... that if you and your Dad were drunk and you and your friends saw him naked it would be a laugh..but that is how YOU feel today... .. And I am pretty sure my son would be shocked to see his Dad drunk and naked.. And I would hope that he would just cover him up rather than going to get others to come and see… but Hams brothers were wiser with better discretion and made sure that they did not have to see their Fathers nakedness by backing into the room.. And I just have to ask.. Why hide their eyes when going into the tent if it was because Ham had sex with his Mom..He had gone and gotten them so he was not having sex with him Mom then . He would not have been in the tent when his brothers went in so what exactly were they hiding their eyes from and why would they need a blanket? When you add things to this scripture then you add more questions.. So why the blanket? Can a blanket hide incest?

Oh and you do not need to show me the verses about Lot..I believe that Lots daughters had sex with him because it is Written...

Dob you asked....If someone were to ask you where in the Bible does it say that were not supposed to have sex with our brothers wife, or where does it say were not supposed to have sex with our aunts and uncles, our brothers and sisters, our mothers and fathers, A mother and her daughter, or with animals, or men with other men, or with women while their in their monthly cycle.

Dob do you really need someone to tell you this?? Who would think it was ok to have sex with animals? Especially at a time when it was shameful to be seen naked…. Do these folks not carry the law in their hearts for that that is where it is written….

2 Corinthians 3Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: 3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Followers of Christ need to hear his message…. Love God, Love one another, on these two commandments hang all the LAWs and All the Prophets..

You see Dob I would not direct them to Leviticus I would direct them to Jesus.... and our Fathers ten commandments... Why on earth would I direct them to Leviticus...why would You... Did you not know that Jesus says our Fathers laws are written in our hearts and that come judgement day it will be our hearts that we are judged by..

That said I do have a favorite quote about Leviticus..

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord -- Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness -- Lev. 15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination -- Lev. 11:10 -- it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? -- Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

And so is the arrogance of hate talk radio hosts.